the microchip and the mark.(this is really off topic)

[[RH]magician]

gah. I hope I'm already dead when this happens.

You Tube

and this

Mark of the Beast, 666, Revelations 14:9, for those left behind

It's damned scary.

and if any of our muslim brothers could you please share if the quoran says anything about this?

[squidgie]

This has been around for a few years. It really is sick. Maybe something will happen in 2012 that will destroy that specific technology.
What he was talking about with putting them in earings or something that you can TAKE OFF when you want to is a little bit better, but its still ridiculous

[Sam Hindrichs]

Ok RH,

I don't know if you know about this but do you know how you can get your dog "micro-chipped"? It's the same thing. How many times have you heard of someone losing a dog and they used the micro-chip to track the dog down to find it? 0 times, right?

The chip referred to in this video isn't anything more than an I.D. planted under your skin. It would be used for things such as doctor or emergency room visits to get your medical records in case you are not able to provide them with valuable information or, in the case of this video, identifying you from the bad guys.

Look at it this way, You are out on a morning jog. All of a sudden you are stung by a bee (btw for this example you suffer from Anaphylaxis, which is an allergy to bee venom). You start to get very light-headed and all of a sudden you can't breath. You fall to the ground and a fellow runner see's you. They call 911 and the Ambulance arrives but they don't fully know what is wrong with you, so they don't know what to treat. If you had the chip they would be able to scan your arm and see that you are allergic to bee's and they would know automatically they should try an Epipin first.

Next, You are in another country and you are running late for a meeting. You leave the hotel without your wallet and passport. In your rush you get into a car accident and you are hurt badly. You are rushed to the Emergency room and the doctor's start to treat you as a normal patient. You go into a coma from hitting your head in the accident. Because of the coma your immune system is weakened and now you have contracted Sepsis (blood infection) from the nurse that didn't wash her hands after going to the bathroom and came in and adjusted your nasal cannula without any gloves on. They are going to treat the Sepsis with Penicillin. But I forgot to mention you are allergic to Penicillin. Now your body crashes and they can't save you because of your already weakened immune system.

All of that could have been stopped if you would have had proper I.D. on you, or the micro-chip in your arm.

IT'S NOT A TRACKING DEVICE!

[[RH]magician]

that said microchip removed. but how about the mark? if the mark(the "credit card substitute") in anyway tells something about the devil. that's it... non christians are pawned.

[squidgie]

Anybody watched freedom to fascism? I'm not a conspiracy theorist or any such nonsense, but that stuff does make you think about the possibilities of what could happen if it was used for questionable purposes. Personally, i wouldn't want something inside my skin that would tell everything about me at any given time to anybody who knew how to read it. All they have to do is turn on a flag in your file that says you're a bad guy and then you can't buy food, you can't buy gas, you can't do anything. This system hasn't been implemented yet, but this could be seen as the baby steps towards that ultimate repression

[Sam Hindrichs]

RH,

Nothing against your views or the point you are trying to make with this thread but I think it's funny that you are taking a video, that shows a clip from the cartoon Buzz Lightyear of Star Command, seriously.

I am a parent of two boys, a three year old and a one year old, and even if the microchip was a GPS device I would still want it in my family. The way the microchips are being used as of right now they are for nothing more than a pumped up I.D.

Like I said though even if it was a GPS I still wouldn't care. I think people are looking at this microchip in too much of a "Hollywood" way. Your life isn't a movie. You won't be "drafted" to do a special assignment because your twin brother was CIA. It's not like that. So why would you care about a GPS?

BTW- all cars that are OnStar capable will always have an active GPS, even if you don't have OnStar activated. Now that I'm on that note what about your car GPS systems like TOMTOMs? You wouldn't be so reluctant to buy one of those would you, and before you say they don't know your personal information from those, what happens when you register a product through mail in slips or online?

Squidgie,

I don't think it would ever be possible to use the microchip in the way you are referring. First, it is currently being used for medical records and your information that is on your drivers license. I would think they would set them up to have certain passwords and only work on certain computers, but you are right, people might get their hands on them that shouldn't have their hands on them.

That being said, I still think the microchip is a good idea for everyone, especially elderly, children, and people with serious medical conditions to have implanted.

[Brandon Pomeroy]

Make sure you have the whole story before you make opinions... Get all the facts, not a sensationalized youtube video. For example, 3.50 in the first video; the "Demon civil-libertarians" part. This video was obviously created by a very opinionated person, who is not likely to include all the benefits of this. Or, for that matter, up to date info. Look at how young Jay Leno is in this; he actually has brown hair.

I gotta run right now, but this is an interesting discussion, keep it alive.

[squidgie]

i do believe that this would be a nice solution to keeping track of registered sex offenders, convicts, the legally insane, and possibly the elderly who live in nursing homes. However, i think the simple I.D. card is more than sufficient for "normal" people.

[Lyle Borders]

Really? Really? This conversation is really happening? What happened to common sense in this world?

1. The video at the beginning looses ALL CREDIBILITY WHATSOEVER. If I have to tell you why, I might loose it. It is nothing more than a crazy man's interpretation of something that has nothing to do with the points in the video. The fact that this video was ever even cited in these forums makes me queasy.

2. Even if this video could in the smallest way be considered a reliable source, there was not thought applied to this argument. Like Sam said, the purpose of these chips (right now reserved for animals) is to simple create a permanent ID# for an animal. This number can be read by the correct equipment and that ID number can be used to identify the animal. Tracking, marking as sex offender, etc. have nothing to do with this device. It (if ever applied to humans) is nothing more than another form of ID, potentially replacing drivers licenses, birth certificates, passports, etc.

3. We don't need this when a DL or passport will do? Do we not watch real news? Do we already forget a recent terrorist event that was made possible by using the stolen passports of innocent people? Stealing someone's ID is a piece of cake, especially for magicians. Stealing someone's ID chip inside their body and putting it inside our own is a different story. There is a new, added security in this idea.

4. As for the mark of the devil (666,) come on people. I am Christian. I believe in those words spoken in the Bible. I DO NOT BELIEVE some random hippie's interpretation of them. There are thousands of different Christian churches in the world today, all because nobody can agree 100% what the teachings in the Bible mean. If you are a Christian, and believe in the Bible, you best be seeking true meaning to these things from the God you believe in rather than a bunch of ignorant, self-serving people twats. Are there not hundreds of other things this passage could mean? Who is right?

Ok, I am done ranting for now. I have lots more to say, but I will refrain. I hope none of you take offense, but instead find helpful information in this. I am promoting no believe, but I am simply trying to keep stupidity from getting the best of us all. Again, not calling anyone here stupid, but rather trying to help us all use common sense to avoid things like this.

L

[squidgie]

I do agree that the video is a little less than reliable, but the government has already sanctioned unauthorized phone tapping in the US. If we give them the ability to know exactly where we are at all times (which is one of the functions of the GPS) there's no telling what they could do to us.
Yes, i will acknowledge that there are some security benefits, but personally, i see way too many risks with this.

[Lyle Borders]

Two more points.

1. GPS is not something in the current mix for these chips. It may be eventually, but is not now.

2. Everyone seems to think that their personal actions are actually enough for the government to give a crap. Nobody here is so important as to have the government going out of their way to track us individually with GPS just to see what we are doing. If we were being monitored in this way, it would be in a VERY passive sense, not with an operative watching us trying to pick up on all of our illegal activities that they care so much about.

L

[Eoin Lavery]

Originally Posted by Lyle Borders

Really? Really? This conversation is really happening? What happened to common sense in this world?

1. The video at the beginning looses ALL CREDIBILITY WHATSOEVER. If I have to tell you why, I might loose it. It is nothing more than a crazy man's interpretation of something that has nothing to do with the points in the video. The fact that this video was ever even cited in these forums makes me queasy.

2. Even if this video could in the smallest way be considered a reliable source, there was not thought applied to this argument. Like Sam said, the purpose of these chips (right now reserved for animals) is to simple create a permanent ID# for an animal. This number can be read by the correct equipment and that ID number can be used to identify the animal. Tracking, marking as sex offender, etc. have nothing to do with this device. It (if ever applied to humans) is nothing more than another form of ID, potentially replacing drivers licenses, birth certificates, passports, etc.


3. We don't need this when a DL or passport will do? Do we not watch real news? Do we already forget a recent terrorist event that was made possible by using the stolen passports of innocent people? Stealing someone's ID is a piece of cake, especially for magicians. Stealing someone's ID chip inside their body and putting it inside our own is a different story. There is a new, added security in this idea.

4. As for the mark of the devil (666,) come on people. I am Christian. I believe in those words spoken in the Bible. I DO NOT BELIEVE some random hippie's interpretation of them. There are thousands of different Christian churches in the world today, all because nobody can agree 100% what the teachings in the Bible mean. If you are a Christian, and believe in the Bible, you best be seeking true meaning to these things from the God you believe in rather than a bunch of ignorant, self-serving people twats. Are there not
hundreds of other things this passage could mean? Who is right?

Ok, I am done ranting for now. I have lots more to say, but I will refrain. I hope none of you take offense, but instead find helpful information in this. I am promoting no believe, but I am simply trying to keep stupidity from getting the best of us all. Again, not calling anyone here stupid, but rather trying to help us all use common sense to avoid things like this.

L

Read and Agreed Lyle. I am also Christian so our beliefs are pretty much the same. Some people can be very ignorant when it comes to religion

[Sam Hindrichs]

Originally Posted by squidgie

I do agree that the video is a little less than reliable, but the government has already sanctioned unauthorized phone tapping in the US. If we give them the ability to know exactly where we are at all times (which is one of the functions of the GPS) there's no telling what they could do to us.
Yes, i will acknowledge that there are some security benefits, but personally, i see way too many risks with this.

Did you not read my last post? Every new car that you buy has a GPS system already in the car. OnStar is a type of GPS. Like Lyle said the microchips are not being used as GPS devices as of now. They are only an identification device, which I strongly believe people should take into consideration getting.

[squidgie]

Yes, that's true, but you can get out of your car if you want to

[Lyle Borders]

And you can't be tracked by a little tiny chip that emits (at a distance of less than a couple feet) a single identification number. With this kind of thing, you don't even have to get out of your car to avoid being tracked! You are never tracked to begin with!

Seriously, unless you do something really stupid and end up on a criminal or terrorist watch list, the government could hardly care that you exist, so you are NEVER going to be tracked. Yes, the government can tap phones, but I guarantee you that your phone has likely NEVER been and NEVER will be tapped.

"You take away our privacy! Stop big bad government!"

Big bad government is trying to save your trash from the people they actually watch. People watch too many cheese ball futuristic-themed movies.

L